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Toronto school board to stop buying Macs

Toronto school board to stop buying Macs

By:  Rafael Ruffolo  On: 04 Jan 2010 For: ComputerWorld Canada Creator

The decision, which surfaced late last year, is now under fire from one school board trustee, who argues that students and staff should be exposed to more than just one computing platform. Find out why the board changed its policy

In an effort to cut costs, the Toronto District School Board plans to stop introducing new Apple Inc. computers into classrooms for general use.

 

The new internal IT policy could lead to most TDSB students only being exposed to PC computers. The exception to this rule will be for specialized school departments where Mac usage is seen as the industry standard, such as the Media Arts or Music disciplines.

 

Some TDSB teachers have already been speaking out against the decision, with an online petition attempting to salvage Mac support. The new policy is also being opposed by Michael Coteau, a school board trustee for Don Valley East.

 

The trustee plans to bring forward a motion asking the board to reconsider its decision and to provide general support to future Mac computer purchases. He is also considering a motion for a pilot project to support Linux-based systems.

 

“Schools should have the ability to choose between purchasing Macs or PCs,” Coteau said.

 

“We could save a lot of money doing many different things at the board, but what we should be doing is making the decisions that consider costs, but at the same time, do not limit a child’s exposure to innovative instruments like the Mac computer,” he added.

 

Coteau added that as an alternative, the TDSB should be focusing more energy on working with Apple to get more affordable machines into the hands of students.

 

“We need to be better at negotiating and better at dealing with these companies,” he said. “They want to help. We just need to connect with them.”

 

While the primary motivation for the decision is to cut down on costs, IT decision-makers at the TDSB said the move is actually part of a broader strategy to break away from the traditional approach of “the teacher being the source of all knowledge.”

 

Lee Stem, the general manager of IT services at TDSB, said the increased availability of equivalent software for both Mac and PC-based platforms, coupled with the move toward Web-based applications, have made hardware and operating systems less relevant.


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Rafael Ruffolo Rafael Ruffolo was a senior writer for ComputerWorld Canada from 2006 to 2011. He was the winner of a Kenneth R. Wilson award for business journalism in 2009.

Comments (15)

peter macklin
by peter macklin 1/5/2010 12:03:10 PM

For standing up for diversity in education, and not for the extreme rigidity of the TDSB to claim to save money by removing the leading computer operating system for music and visual arts from our kids' education: thank you Michael Couteau - Don Valley East trustee.

nathan sherlock
by nathan sherlock 1/5/2010 12:37:49 PM

I have to say, I do not consider MAC OS to be the leading platform for Music any longer - can't comment on Visual Arts. I moved from a MAC-based to a Windows-based setup in my home music studio and find that I am producing far better sound quality for a lot less money. MAC is still a solid OS but I a simply don't get as much free stuff and now I am hardly using my MAC. Frankly, I think one of the proven Linux-based platforms should have been considered by the school board. Ubuntu and Fedora offer quite a bit and are much easier to use than in previous years - I now use these platforms for all my non-music IT work - they deserve a closer look.

donald andrachuk
by donald andrachuk 1/5/2010 2:10:56 PM

I wish this article had probed into Stem's contention that "... Apple computers cost about 40 per cent more than PCs to support," because that's exactly contrary to just about every cross-platform study of ROI and support and long term costs I've seen. Either something is screwy at the TDSB or he's actually referring to something other than "support" costs. Perhaps he's one of those whose lack of familiarity with the platform leads him to refer to the system as 'MAC'...

howard tewsley
by howard tewsley 1/6/2010 10:02:43 AM

The platform dedcision should be framed in the following context:

1: what are the educational and learning objectives you are trying to achieve? In what way does a personal computer (PC, Mac, ...) support these objectives?

2. what applications are required to support these educational objectives?

3. the platform can then be selected based upon cost and overall strategy

Of course everyone is an expert on which is the best platform :-)

My wife's grade 3 students get about one period a week on a computer. By the time they get to the PC classroom and settled at the start of class,and after cleanup at the end, they get about 20 useful minutes hands-on. You can't accomplish much of anything in this timeframe.

Let's get the priorites straight.

r obyrne
by r obyrne 1/6/2010 1:45:18 PM

I wonder again at the logic as the new Mac platforms can run both MAC and Windows thus giving two for one usability.

michael empey.
by michael empey. 1/11/2010 9:14:49 AM

What real differences are there in a Mac that would justify the increased costs?

Unless you're doing significant amount of video editing, rendering, or other activities related to "visual arts", I don't think the costs are justified.

david zimmerman
by david zimmerman 1/11/2010 9:20:53 AM

Quite honestly, it's my tax dollars that are paying for the computers that go into the schools. Apple computers are the most expensive and frankly over priced for what you get. There should be a push for all school systems to use Ubuntu or similar flavour of Linux along with Open Office and other free applications. Figure the cost of a new PC plus all of the software on it is at least $600 and if fully loaded with MS Office and other goodies is closer to $800. A Mac will be 25% more but an Ubuntu PC will be 50% less and last longer because the hardware requirements aren't as high. Ubuntu can run well on a PC that is quite old which could enable school systems to buy off lease or end of service computers for a fraction of the price of new PCs.

Nathan is right about Macs and music. There is better software and hardware for Windows.

e. porter
by e. porter 1/11/2010 9:21:34 AM

Education is not about MAC or PC, nor about OSX, Windoze or Linux. Education is about maximizing resources for the children. If the only thing they are learning is how to browse the internet, what is the difference? Linux is free!

Think about value in education.

wayne louie
by wayne louie 1/11/2010 9:27:51 AM

People are confusing terms.

PC == Personal Computer, of which many companies make. One can install Windows, Linux, Solaris and many other operating systems on most PCs *except* MacOS which can be installed only on PCs made by Apple. There are also non-x86/x64 PCs too, though far less popular these days.

The term "MAC Computer" is arcane, as Apple no longer makes PowerPC CPU based PCs.

I am quite okay with TDSB deciding not to buy Apple PCs. We do have Apple PCs in our house (and where I work), as well as from other vendors, and do run Windows, MacOS and several Linux distros, so I am not "anti-Apple". However, Apple's PC prices I cannot justify, and I especially do not like the "Closed environment decision" by Apple to not let the MacOS run on any PC except those manufactured by Apple (any other HW or SW manufacture would get sued by EEU for decisions like this). Opening up the MacOS market to other HW platforms would bring prices down, and avoid having to make decisions like this.

gordon wilson
by gordon wilson 1/11/2010 11:00:51 AM

I do not dispute the quality of apple computers. The question is are they worth the extra costs. Having supported both Apple and Windows computers, from my point of view the answer is no. If an alternative operating system is to be chosen, I agree with the post that suggested one of the flavors of Linux. Only a Mac evangelist could suggest a students educational experience is being compromised by not being exposed to the MacOS. In the latest release of data the MacBook comes in fourth (very respectable) in reliability. Toshiba I believe took top honours.

a b
by a b 1/12/2010 1:30:19 PM

Toronto students are disadvantaged, because they only learn MS junk...take a look at some examples from the rest of the world to see how far Toronto is falling behind:

An international center, Geneva,Switzerland found that Ubuntu worked so well, that they eliminated MS Windows from all of their schools...in 2008!...9,000 school computers were switched to linux only...here is the original newspaper article announcing the change in Swiss schools (in French...:-)):

www.tdg.ch/.../dip-met-cap-log

And then there are the 300,000 linux computers and 180,000 linux netbooks in schools in just one area of Spain (there are many more) (and they saved 180 MILLION Euros in providing this better system!) (compared with the paltry, very expensive, barely usable 43,000 MS computers in the TDSB...):

(in English, with links to the orginal Spanish...:-)):

www.osor.eu/.../es-cenatic-camp

And then there is Uruguay, which has given a linux laptop to EVERY student in the ENTIRE country! :-)

news.bbc.co.uk/.../8309583.stm

Et cetera, et cetera...

Meanwhile, TDSB disadvantages its students and closes linux labs, based on faulty info, provided by biased sources, based on business, rather than education, denying students the opportunity to keep up with the rest of the world. Such a shame.

It is the naive computer illiterate decision makers in the 3rd world TDSB that are destroying educational opportunities for students by not providing alternatives, such as linux, etc. in schools.

marc thibault
by marc thibault 1/13/2010 2:57:12 PM

Let me get this straight. We should be loosing kids into the white collar world who don't know Word, Excel, or Visio. It's not bad enough that, in the name of self-esteem, they can't spell or do arithmetic and are incapable of organized thought; we should deny them experience with the most commonly-used tools to help overcome these disabilities?

Naive is failing to recognise that, except for a few kids with rich daddies, it's a competitive world out there.

Computer illiterate is failing to recognise the differences between computer platforms from the point of view of how they are used.

jeffrey moncrieff
by jeffrey moncrieff 1/13/2010 6:16:09 PM

I would not ever think of removing macs from schools. My frist experience of a computer was on a Apple IIE back in 1987 and last year of High school we where using a Mac G4 and the experience with mac has very positive. I also used PC's for a couple of year between and I hated the PC. I know windows because My family always purchased a PC not a apple. But I still prefer a Mac any day then PC.

jeffrey moncrieff
by jeffrey moncrieff 1/13/2010 7:10:58 PM

There are just saying there will consider Opensource software just make the public happy but once they get rid of mac, It will be a totally Windows shop. If I thought I would see Ubuntu in the class room I would totally agree Maybe get rid of macs but that will not happen any time soon. How I see it, The newer Mac is actually bases on BSD Unix which is like Ubuntu.

eric martin
by eric martin 1/13/2010 9:07:51 PM

Why the TDSB was soley purchasing Macs is beyond me and it explains why they have trouble balancing their books. I'll give Apple credit that their computers and OS are good, but as several commenters pointed out; Apple is a closed system. What happens when parts fail on a Mac? While they switched to an Intel based architecture a few years ago, the list of hardware is supported by OSX is not as great as Windows. Thats why Apple's products are so reliable...they don't just work with everything. The OS is designed to work with an Apple a pre-approved set of hardware so it minimizes the need for lots of different driver software for every possible piece of hardware manufactured. As a result, replacement hardware is probably more expensive.

Kudos to the TDSB for finally wising up and learning to spend their money more wisely. Besides, from all reports and reviews I've read, Windows 7 is on par with OSX if not better. If Macs climb to about 20% of the market and open up their OS for third party manufactures (i.e. Psystar) then they would become a viable alternative to a Windows based machine.

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