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Windows users unite! SaveXP comes to Canada

ComputerWorld Canada launches a campaign to rally enterprise users who aren't ready to set their operating system upgrade plans according to Microsoft's schedule. Make your voice heard

Microsoft Corp. is touting Windows Vista as a more secure operating system with a better user interface that its predecessor, XP, but it’s evident close to 90,000 users would prefer not to upgrade. Now it’s Canada’s turn to weigh in.

InfoWorld Media Group of San Francisco recently launched an online petition demanding Microsoft keep selling XP indefinitely. By Tuesday morning, 89,503 users signed the petition.

ComputerWorld Canada has launched a campaign of its own, which will also include regular updates on XP support, tips and tricks and industry commentary. It will be available at SaveXP.ca. Both InfoWorld and ComputerWorld Canada are affiliated with International Data Group (IDG). Redmond, Wash.-based Microsoft plans to stop selling retail versions of XP June 30, and after that, anyone wanting XP would have to get it through their hardware manufacturer – if they’re selling it.

Elliot Katz, senior product manager for Windows client at Microsoft Canada Co., said in an e-mail to ComputerWorld Canada: "Windows XP that is already in the channel will stay in the channel."

System builders, who sell primarily to small and mid-sized firms, will still be able to sell XP until January of 2009, Katz added.

Microsoft is currently encouraging users to upgrade to Vista, which the company says makes it easier for users to find files and folders and to view all applications they have open at any given time.

Microsoft has said Vista has more advanced backup and security features, such as a spyware remover and a new firewall designed to prevent infected PCs from spreading malware.

Katz said Vista has had fewer security problems that required a patch than XP did, and Microsoft is receiving 21 per cent fewer support calls with Vista than it did with XP.

Nevertheless, the company’s plan to stop selling XP has not gone over well with some users who have signed InfoWorld’s petition.

One user, who identified himself by the alias “Marco Polo,” described himself as “one of those old timers who think an actual OS improvement is one that runs faster, more securely, more efficiently, interfaces with hardware better, and makes applications perform much better as a result.” He went on to call Vista “a huge drooling mastiff sucking up the hardware resources of what should be a banging good machine.”

Another user, who identified himself as “Michael,” said he was unable to install the Mozilla Firefox Web browser on Vista on his Dell laptop and had to put up with “Mother-may-I dialogs.”

Katz said Microsoft is aware of InfoWorld's petition and there are "no current plans" to extend the deadline to buy XP.

Analysts agree some IT managers will be reluctant to upgrade to Vista.

“People generally don’t like to be told they have to change and by Microsoft releasing the new operating system there’s a lot of speculation that users have to change towards the new product,” said Michelle Warren, senior research analyst with Info-Tech Research Group of London, Ont.

“I think that’s the root cause of a lot of the petitions, that they are out asking Microsoft to hold off.”

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Are we not overdue for Change from the MS Monopoly?Reply to this commentReport an innapropriate comment
Thank's MS for bringing DOS to the world of PC users. It was tight but low memory consumption OS that did it's job and allowed other Software Companies use their products around it. Now we have MS telling us when can and when we cannot copy a file or picture if MS XP (SP-2) from an Internet Source. Once that happened I decided I would never purchase Vista or any other MS product in future. Sooner or later Apple's going to compete with MS for PC related wINDOws operating system and push will come to shove in shelving MS Windows and moving into the Apple based Operating System. If Unix continues it's growth and works out the considerable amount of kinks associated with running other programs within Unix, it may become the number two source for Operating Software, just below Apple. I use XP cause I have too. But my system registry is absorbed with MS wINDOws demand for memory. Each time I clean it out, Updates come along and MS sucks up memory again. After the lates problem with lack of user control with MS "uDATe" service, I'm finally in a position to say the next change I make to my OS will be with another operating system made elswhere. MS Windows is on my short list for removal.
Written by: Scott, from Toronto
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MS has, with every new iteration, doen its best to wean control of the hardware and the system away from the user and move it into its own hands. Within limits this can be a good thing, but Vista takes it a step beyond. Our business tried XP when it first came out and seeing the handwriting on the wall started migrating to a mix of Linux and BSD. We are now entirely a non-MS operation with the exception of one machine that runs a stripped down and stable copy of Win98SE for some custom software. We've never looked back and notice no loss of productivity. In fact, the opposite is true as we spend less time trying to solve various issues that uset to be a constant annoyance with Windows. The fact that our licensing costs are virtually non-existant has also helped the bottom line. Vista might just be the best thing that has happened to Linux in the workplace in a while.
Written by: Jonathan, from Halifax
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Actually, Vista seems to have been the best thing that has happened to Apple Macs. Many dummies (Vista was designed for) have recently switched to Macs. As for the pros, they're trying to save XP. Now, what are 90K (mostly pro's) sigs worth? Switching to some Linux flavour would surely be the intelligent way to go. But, since when (if ever) intelligence prevailed?
Written by: IT Pro, from
Just switch to Linux or a MacReply to this commentReport an innapropriate comment
Microsoft want you to think that you have two choices: stay with an outdated operating system or move to a bloated and buggy one that is still behind the times. The public isn't swallowing it however. Mac sales have soared since Vista was released, while Linux continues to gnaw away at Microsoft's lead in the commercial markets. I don't care if they keep selling XP or not. I moved to a better operating system years ago.
Written by: Gary Dale, from
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Well I see no moves to Vista in my shop. Personally I had XP forced on me but its not so bad. Work wise I use 2000 and 2003 server for critical ops and NT (yes that old) for dev. now thats stable. Home I'm 2000 pro and 98SE - mostly because thats for my private projects. And a spare box - time to try linux again lol
Written by: chris pestell, from verdun quebec
consultantReply to this commentReport an innapropriate comment
If Microsoft is no longer going to support or sell XP could this mean that they are abandoning it -- in effect throwing it in the garbage? If it no longer is of any value to Microsoft maybe some other group should pick it up and run with it.
Written by: Joe Blow, from Toronto
MS Big BrotherReply to this commentReport an innapropriate comment
MS seems to have taken the position that it has to be our big brother since we are not smart enough to figure out what we want in our boxes and what we should not have. Vista seems to be only the latest whip that MS is using to put us in our place. Vista for the most part emits a foul odour. I picked up a new laptop and a new box in the last five months and have a total dislike for both of them. I do not like to be "spoken down" to and that is exactly what Vista does. You cannot make a move without Vista checking with you to see if it is ok. Try to install a spyware or virus program other than what the box manufacturer has decided that you should have, and you will have problems.
Written by: Marcel Fortier, from Val Gagne, ON
downgrade rightsReply to this commentReport an innapropriate comment
Enterprise clients aren't really being forced to buy and stick with. OEM and volume Licenses allow for downgrades, any of the business model PCs that enterprise customers should be looking at come with a version of Vista that you can downgrade.
Written by: Dingo8mybaby, from Toronto
Vista is better for long run.......but!Reply to this commentReport an innapropriate comment
While I believe Vista is much better than XP in terms of security and backup, but it lacks behind XP in every other scale and specifically performance and reliability. Logically, we need faster processors to do more complex tasks. Vista seems to have been designed with that in mind. Throw more power at it and it will do the job just fine. We need to push for faster and more powerful machines in order to advance our civilization. Vista in an awkward way forces us in that direction by requiring more power and providing less performance.
Written by: Tamouh, from Ottawa
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As someone who is a ‘has been’ in this business since 1990 as a tech support on Compuserve for Delrina Technologies ( remember the old days when the latest fab technology was the ability to fax from Windows), it never ceases to amaze me how MS manages to pull another OS that is quite unstable. One component is consistent since the 90’s: Power and ownership of the OEM market leads to monopoly of the PC OS (Operating System) no matter how flagrantly unstable the OS is. I look back remembering my days in ’supporting’ Win 3.0 and just begin to wonder that the 'business' practice has not changed. I refuse to upgrade to Vista for obvious reasons - the lack of stability (see the PcWorld stress testing), the lack of ownership/commitment of the vendor product & release (i.e MSDN membership with no access to SP.1) and the blatant attitude that all can afford to upgrade to the next generation of software: MS SQL Server 2008, .NET 200x etc. I’m not rolling in cash to support a blatant attempt by MS to upgrade: as I stated before since my tech support 90’s days at Delrina - nothing has changed. rgd. J. Wittek
Written by: J Wittek, from Etobicoke
My Decision has been madeReply to this commentReport an innapropriate comment
For quite some while I have been running an XP machine while my spouse has a Mac. I've been considering a power Mac for a while now, and with the horror stores of Vista and extinction of XP, it seems like now is the time!
Written by: SwitchingtoMac, from
Data retreival and analysis specialistReply to this commentReport an innapropriate comment
Almost daily I am called upon to analyze malfunctioning hard disks with microsoft os's. It is unbelievable the amount of garbage ms leaves on a hard drive. I use Ubuntu for my daily functioning. I quit using ms products when xp came onboard. With the introduction of vista, I am now so glad I dont have to put up with bloated and unstable os's.
Written by: Rusty1, from
VISTA SUCKSReply to this commentReport an innapropriate comment
I use my computer for audio and video and after tring vista out on a hi-pro Dell in a store I would never switch. vista will not let you play a music cd in the media player let alone copy to your hard drive. I think I will keep my XP and up-date it myself and to hell with MICROSOFT !!!!!
Written by: matthew, from
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We will not be upgrading to Vista any time soon. Everthing works just fine with XP. I tried using Vista on a laptop and had a hard time just finding the "tree" lising of what is on the hard drive. Moreover always being asked to accept or deny is ridiculous and tiring. Most of the time I have no idea as the description of the message is so cryptic like most of microsoft's error messages. Users should not have to sacrifice security for ease of use.
Written by: Rosa, from Langley
IT Tech/OwnerReply to this commentReport an innapropriate comment
Windows Vista is pretty much Windows ME all over again. The ideas behind Vista were good, but MS decided to put those ideas in on OS designed to copy a MAC. Vista throws away alot of the convetions that windows has had since Win 98se and almost everyone I talked to who has vista cant find anything. XP is going to be around atleast until MS comes out with the next OS. Hopefully they get it right this time.
Written by: Joe, from Fort Myers
What a load of ...Reply to this commentReport an innapropriate comment
I have used Vista x64 edition for over a year now. Vista is a great OS, it comes with the benefits of WPF (Windows Presentation Foundation), WCF (Windows Communication Foundation) and other things not found in your basic XP. I really find these commenters opinions very hard to swallow, because I have had none of the issues with it. I of course am running it. All the supposed "conventions" that Vista supposedly throws away are all there and if the posters bothered to learn some of the new UI they will find they are still there just tucked away for easier to use User Interface conventions.. This person earlier could have hit the help key and learned how to get to the treeview the way it used to be if you are stuck on it. Microsoft got it right with Vista, it's obvious that some folks here just need to learn a little bit about how it works.. A small example of this, for instance is the breadcrumb trail in an explorer window, you only have to double click on it to see the old version and you can cut and paste paths in it.. The reality of it is people who have made the move to vista are much happier and these hold outs just don't like the pain of upgrade to newer OSes and having to learn things. I never upgraded to Windows ME but I remember the complaints about updating to Windows 2000, and its the same old stuff over and over again. These complaints are just as juvenile as they were back then. Microsoft has made Windows easier and sometimes you have to spend a little time with something before making snap judgements. We need to have better support for new hardware as it's available, and Vista does that well. Yes there are issues with "legacy" systems but if you bought a machine with Vista installed you'd have none of those issues. I find realtime previews in the start menu of Windows to be one of Vista's coolest features, not to mention the hardware acceleration of 3D that Vista gives to applications like: http://www.asahiyamazoo-aict.jp/a
Written by: Spike McGirk, from Detroit
Applications Continued..Reply to this commentReport an innapropriate comment
http://www.microsoft.com/surface/ All Done with acclerated Vista WPF hardware WorldWide Telescope (not something for XP) http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/ The Japanese Zoo Application (runs in an browser no install requirements is a fully hardware acclerated App) advantages it doesn't require setup. Good for educational installations.. http://www.asahiyamazoo-aict.jp/asahiyamazoo.xbap The Brittish Library's Illuminated Manuscripts with full zoom and full 3d.. again something not hardware acceleration capable in XP.. http://ttpdownload.bl.uk/browserapp.xbap These are all good examples of new things that can be done outside of XP.. The cluebus is rolling, who will get on board..
Written by: Spike McGirk, from Detroit
Applications Continued..Reply to this commentReport an innapropriate comment
http://www.microsoft.com/surface/ All Done with acclerated Vista WPF hardware WorldWide Telescope (not something for XP) http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/ The Japanese Zoo Application (runs in an browser no install requirements is a fully hardware acclerated App) advantages it doesn't require setup. Good for educational installations.. http://www.asahiyamazoo-aict.jp/asahiyamazoo.xbap The Brittish Library's Illuminated Manuscripts with full zoom and full 3d.. again something not hardware acceleration capable in XP.. http://ttpdownload.bl.uk/browserapp.xbap These are all good examples of new things that can be done outside of XP.. The cluebus is rolling, who will get on board..
Written by: Spike McGirk, from Detroit
Applications Discontinued...Reply to this commentReport an innapropriate comment
MS Fanboy Spike McGirk brings up some good points... Vista is great if you are doing things other than normal desktop computing! MS missed the mark here, Vista is not what people need to do their old work. I mean, seriously, what the heck to most office workers do? Read email, word process, and use the web. I have an OS that can run on a PIII w/ 512Mb of RAM just fine. It runs just as well as the day I installed it. It is called xubuntu. If you are thinking of upgrading to Vista, think about updating to a good OS instead. If you do want the fancy 3D stuff Linux has got your number Vista: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz_2vKq5cZk If you are going to force users to learn a new UI might as well do something good for your company. If you are an IT Professional do the right thing, tell your company they need Linux instead. Save money from licensing for customized deployments and put migration decisions in your company's hands. Wake up people, times are a changin'!
Written by: CPB, from Waterloo
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